I was working probably 80-hour weeks, like just going and pushing and getting there before the sun rises, leaving after the sun sets. On Sundays, I would go to church with my family.

bring a change of clothes, and then after church go to the firm, change, work for a couple hours, eat dinner, work for a couple more hours, and then finally go home and do it all again on Monday. So I was always going.

Brandi Lewis (01:11)

Wow. So your brain tumor, let’s talk about that also. What led up to you being diagnosed with a brain tumor? Like how was that journey?

Shayla Webb (01:22)

Yeah, so I started, it’s kind of, it’s a bumpy one. So I started not feeling well around 2020. Well, let me go back. I had my first ear surgery at the age of one. So I’ve always had hearing issues and different things. I’ve gotten, I’ve grown accustomed to not feeling well. ⁓ And so around 2020 though, I’m like, something feels different. Like my balance is off, I’m not feeling super well.

Brandi Lewis (01:28)

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (01:51)

And so I really went on this journey of what is this? Like what is the problem? And what’s funny is, and a lot of people don’t know this, they actually found the tumor in 2020. They saw it and were like, okay, well, let’s see, you know, it could grow, it could stay, but it’s a very risky surgery, so let’s wait and see. So every year I’d have to go back and get another scan. So around 2022-ish,

Brandi Lewis (02:04)

wow.

Shayla Webb (02:20)

My doctor at the time goes back to scan and he’s like, it’s gone. There’s no tumor. And I’m like, okay, miracle. Like we believe, like we are children of God. We believe in miracles. We know that there’s nothing impossible. And so me and my husband are like, report everywhere we can. I mean, we were excited. ⁓ But then the symptoms persisted and I’m like, no girl, you need to believe you’re healing. You need to believe you’re healing.

Brandi Lewis (02:29)

Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (02:49)

And so I go on this journey, I’m like, something is still wrong, but I know it’s not a brain tumor. Fast forward, 2023, they’re like, oh, we did that test wrong. It is in fact still a tumor. And at this point it had grown. And so, you know, through the course of it, I’m figuring out all these things about my health, but the underlying issue was still there. And a lot of people were like, why are you angry with God that you thought you had a miracle? I’m like, that’s not him.

Brandi Lewis (03:00)

Ugh.

knows much.

Shayla Webb (03:19)

Medical technology

failing is not an act of God. I’m grateful that he spared me long enough to figure out that this is what was happening. ⁓ But being disappointed in him just wasn’t an option.

Brandi Lewis (03:23)

Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That’s so crazy though, to think that you knew it was there in 2020. So it was it small in 2020 and so it, you guys had just watched it over the years until 2022. Is that right?

Shayla Webb (03:48)

It wasn’t that it was small, it was where it was sitting. So mine was sitting on my balance nerve, it’s called an acoustic neuroma. It was sitting on my balance nerve and so to go in and get it in such a, like a risky place was a surgery that a lot of surgeons are kind of not willing to do. And so to get it, you have to go lift the brain, you’re right by the facial nerve, you’re right by the auditory canal.

Brandi Lewis (03:52)

Okay.

Shayla Webb (04:16)

And so there was just so much that goes into that surgery that waiting for it to grow or stay was just the best option at that point.

Brandi Lewis (04:25)

Yeah. So when you found out, okay, it’s back in 2023, what was your plan from there? Like, how did you feel emotionally? Cause that’s always, I feel like any health, anything you battle with health, you deal with it physically, mentally, and emotionally. And I feel like I’ve always said through my health, like I have to have all three balanced. If one is out of whack, like I’m out of whack.

Shayla Webb (04:42)

Absolutely.

Brandi Lewis (04:50)

So first off, my first question is just mentally, was that hearing that information in 2023 of it’s back and how did you feel and how did you react to that then?

Shayla Webb (05:03)

Yeah, it was heavy. I was upset with myself because my ENT was saying, okay, I think we should go get another scan. This was around April. And I was so busy practicing and work was, you as a practicing attorney, when work piles up, that’s a good thing. Like that’s billable hours and that’s what you need to get promoted and eventually make partner.

Brandi Lewis (05:05)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (05:30)

And so things were going really, really well. And so I put off going to get that scan until June of 2023. so mentally I’m like, oh my gosh, what have I done? Like, what did I prioritize over my wellbeing and my health? And so that guilt and that shame of waiting was very heavy.

Brandi Lewis (05:50)

Yeah.

my gosh, that’s such a good conversation to talk about though is when you’re just so upset with yourself that you didn’t do what you thought you should have done. And also like the busyness of life though, like you said earlier, you were a lawyer and I used to work at a law firm. ⁓ I worked in human resources in law firm. So I was able to see kind of like the, what lawyers go through and the hours that they work and

Shayla Webb (06:02)

Mm-hmm.

that’s awesome.

Brandi Lewis (06:18)

how it’s so important to have the billable hours. And like you said, when you don’t have them, that’s when it’s a bad thing. So to be busy, like you said, is good, but lawyers can become very, very busy. So having that shame, like, oh my gosh, that’s just so crazy to think about. It’s just the shame that you had around that, kicking yourself if I should have done this earlier and prioritize this earlier. Where would you say you, I want to kind of go a little bit forward, but where would you say you are now in?

Shayla Webb (06:21)

Mm-hmm.

yeah.

yeah.

Brandi Lewis (06:47)

prioritizing things differently and maybe rest or different other things differently now over career.

Shayla Webb (06:55)

Yeah, I would say I’m in a much better position. went into entrepreneurship soon after all of these things happened. ⁓ But the thing that I learned as far as prioritization goes is everything about me is replaceable, but me, right? And so you could get another rock star attorney. You can get another person to run the spa that I own, but

Brandi Lewis (07:14)

Mmm.

Shayla Webb (07:22)

as an independent person being fearfully and wonderfully made, there is a work that I’m here to do that got established well before I was even thought of. And so if I destroy myself, it’s not that I destroyed a career or I destroyed a legacy as an entrepreneur. It’s no, those good works that were set out before my time even began to do didn’t get done because I did not prioritize my temple.

Brandi Lewis (07:49)

Yeah, you didn’t prioritize you first. Yeah. my gosh. I love the way you said that though, just because health wise, I mean, it will kick you in the butt to the point where it’s like you’re forced to prioritize health over anything else. And it really makes you see that without your health, there’s really nothing else there. But like you said, even putting God and faith into that, like our body is a temple and really understanding and honing into that and how that really helps us.

Shayla Webb (07:52)

Mm-hmm.

yeah!

Absolutely.

Brandi Lewis (08:18)

to live out the passions and the thing God’s had for us. That’s beautifully said, I love that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (08:24)

Absolutely. And it’s hard, right? Things pull us in all different directions.

when you said earlier, you had to balance those three, I think for me, the thing I learned in all of this is that’s almost impossible. Because if I am trying to balance my emotions, my mindset, all these different things, those are typically gonna be balanced based off what I can see, right?

Brandi Lewis (08:39)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

Shayla Webb (08:54)

So, okay,

right here before me is sickness. It is brain surgery. It is my hair being cut off. It is all these things. And so mentally I’m unwell. Like emotionally I’m unwell. But in my mind I’d say, but you know what God, you are God. Even when I am feeling unstable, if I look to the rock that’s higher than I,

Brandi Lewis (09:05)

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (09:22)

At a certain point, my faith has to kick in and it has to go beyond what I can see and what I can feel because if my faith was based off what I could feel, we would be in trouble. It would be a mess. Yes, and so at a certain point I had to say, you know what Shayla? Yes, you’re scared. Yes, you are beating yourself up. You are feeling shame and you are feeling guilt, but what does the word say? Well, I’m more than a conqueror through Christ Jesus. What does the word say?

Brandi Lewis (09:32)

Yeah, you and me both. Yeah. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (09:50)

It’ll never leave me nor forsake me. And so that’s in the midst of shame. That’s in the midst of guilt. And so I try now to definitely find that balance. But I know I need to take a step back. Not when my mental, physical, emotional are at a balance, but it’s when they start to teeter too high with my faith. Like my faith has to be what tips the scales because life is hard. Life is hard.

Brandi Lewis (10:11)

Hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. Life is very

Shayla Webb (10:19)

Mm-hmm.

Brandi Lewis (10:19)

hard. Yeah. Yeah. I love though that you said your faith has to be over that mental, physical and emotional way that you filled in order for you to keep going. The faith has to come first. Yeah. I’ve never heard it said like that, but it’s so true. I have to have more faith than what I can see right now or what I’m going through right now. Yeah. Would you say, ⁓

Shayla Webb (10:30)

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Brandi Lewis (10:42)

And you are, your dad is a pastor, so you grew up in a church, is that right? Yeah. So would you say that ⁓ your faith became stronger through this diagnosis? Or how would you characterize it? Yeah.

Shayla Webb (10:57)

say it did. Yeah,

I would say it became stronger because I had to exercise it. So I’ve had I’ve had a ⁓ life journey that it has ups and downs for it. It’s highs and lows, peaks and valleys. So it but in this God, he really challenged me like you say, you know who I am, right?

Brandi Lewis (11:13)

Yep. ⁓

Shayla Webb (11:24)

but now I’m gonna cause you to exercise that faith. There’s a scripture that talks about us growing in the faith because we are now having to exercise and be able to discern good from evil. And I’m like, okay, God, even in the process of finding a doctor, I had what was called a neurotologist who could have done my surgery. And I go in to see him and I’m like, you know, this is what’s happening. This is what they’re saying. And he said, I can do your surgery, but I’m not gonna be able to save your hearing. And I’m like,

That may be true, okay? Like that could be the reality, but the fact that you are presenting weed with no option, tells me you don’t have the faith it takes to do what I need your hands to do, but really God is operating. And so I had to discern, not you. Not you in this, and he’s done several of my surgeries before. I said, not you in this season. And then they wanted me to do radiology and I’m like, okay, well tell me.

Brandi Lewis (11:57)

Yeah.

Yep. Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (12:22)

tell me the pros and cons. And he was very con heavy and I like truth. Tell me the truth. Don’t let me massage myself with falsities. But he’s with this and this and this and I’m like, I’m not getting faith. I’m not getting that you believe I won’t be the statistic. And so I finally go see this doctor. I mean, I went through several and I’m crying and I’m telling my husband, like, I don’t know what to do and I’m overwhelmed and I’m tired.

Brandi Lewis (12:27)

Yeah, the reality. Yeah.

I will. ⁓

Shayla Webb (12:50)

Whole time, I mean, it’s very daunting to know you have a tumor. Like that is overwhelming. And I go see this doctor and I said, look, I sing, you know, I am on the worship team. I love music. I have dedicated my sound to God. What are we gonna do? And he was like, well, I can do your surgery a different way and I can try to save your hearing.

But at the same time, here are the consequences of this surgery, lifelong migraines. You could have facial palsy. You could have all these different things. And I don’t know why, because facial palsy is terrible. I don’t know why, but him saying, I can try, told me that you left room for the possibility that God could show up and do a miracle. And you’re to call it a miracle because you knew it you.

Brandi Lewis (13:36)

Yeah. Yep.

Yep.

Shayla Webb (13:41)

You knew

it wasn’t you. And so when I woke up from the surgery, so I ended up having to have it twice because they messed up the first time. When I woke up the first time, I had facial palsy. I was hearing okay, but I couldn’t see because they hadn’t completely severed the balance nerves. So my eyes were constantly doing this. And I’m like, okay, Lord, well, I can hear because I’m hearing them tell me that something’s wrong. It was, it was, I mean, I heard him say it.

Brandi Lewis (13:57)

Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. You’re like, that’s fair.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (14:10)

And

it was a journey. And I will say the thing that kept me even going back to the balance of faith over what I see is David said something in Psalm that sticks with me when I start to feel fussy and scared and things like that. He said, I tell my soul to be quiet like a weaned child. A weaned child is someone that is no longer breastfeeding, which means you can wait until it’s time for me to feed you.

Brandi Lewis (14:37)

Hmm.

Shayla Webb (14:37)

And so

he’s saying, I’m telling my soul, my flesh, my emotions, my mindset, be quiet because right now it’s time for the spirit to speak. And so I’m in these situations and I’m like flesh, be quiet because if I let you get going and get stirred up, now I’m going into this with fear, but you have not given me the spirit of fear, but power, love and a sound mind. And so something that really pushed me in this

Brandi Lewis (14:43)

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Sounded right. Yep.

Shayla Webb (15:06)

was God, didn’t bring me here for nothing. You didn’t have me find someone who could spare my hearing for nothing. So whatever this is, I can’t see now. I’m scared, okay? I didn’t wake up as planned and something is wrong. I had a massive spinal fluid leak out of my ear and my lumbar drain. And for days they were just sewing up my back, stitching it up and stitching it up. And I’ve never had stitches before while I was awake. And I’m like, ⁓ my gosh.

Brandi Lewis (15:19)

Yeah.

no.

⁓ no.

Ugh.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (15:35)

my God, and no

pain medicine. I’m like, Lord, okay, what is this? This is torture. And all I could do, and I’m like, God, if I’m submitting to a doctor that I know is getting ready to cause me pain, how much more do I submit to the God who says, I’m the bomb and Gilead? I am healing for your body. I’m Jehovah Rapha. And so there’s something so beautiful about struggle. And so I think it’s 119. He said, it was good for me to be afflicted. And I’m like, what?

Brandi Lewis (15:38)

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Hmm.

Mm.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (16:04)

crazy. That was a lot of affection. said, okay, well, you know, there’s levels, but it was good for me to be afflicted because if I had not been afflicted in that way, I’ve been afflicted before some of not my own doing but a lot of it my own choices was like, affliction. You’re paying. This is what you get reap with yourself. But this wasn’t me. This was me on the heels of what I thought was a miracle. Turning out to

Brandi Lewis (16:05)

a lot of affliction.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You’re paying the price. Yeah. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (16:33)

have been getting worse while I’m claiming God did it and now I’m laying here like, Lord you have to go ahead and do it because to be wheeled back into surgery when they messed up the first time with the same doctors is crazy.

Brandi Lewis (16:48)

That’s

That is surrender. Like that is nothing else but surrendering. You are like, God, what do I do?

Shayla Webb (16:58)

Mm-hmm.

Brandi Lewis (17:00)

I have nothing, can’t do anything. I’m literally here. Can you see at that time? Still couldn’t see.

Shayla Webb (17:06)

couldn’t see.

I, my eyes were so from the time I woke up to the time I went back into surgery, almost the whole day I would have like a rag over my eyes because whenever they would take it off, now I’m sick because I’m just spinning. And then they’re coming and they’re draining this spinal fluid out of my out of my arm. And I literally remember telling them I’m dying like you are I’m leaking spinal fluid.

Brandi Lewis (17:19)

Ugh.

Shayla Webb (17:36)

you’re draining spinal fluid and that is probably one of the worst headaches I’ve ever had in my entire life. So every hour they’re coming and they’re draining and I’m like, God, are they gonna kill me? just do it quick, just do it now, because this, was torture. I said, Lord, I thought I was living for you. What’s happening? And like, so I’m sitting here and then I remember them saying, so at this point I had to relearn to walk because they were supposed to sever my complete balancer but they didn’t. So it’s like a,

Brandi Lewis (17:46)

Yeah. Yeah.

Right?

Shayla Webb (18:05)

partial trying to talk to a fool. So they’re not having a complete conversation. And so I’m trying to walk and I remember my physical therapist saying, why are you moving your legs like that? And I’m like, I’m doing what y’all doing. Like, what are you talking? She was like, no, you’re not. And so they’re like, look at this, these legs, look at it. And I’m like, that’s what my brain was not telling my legs. Yeah. And I’m like, okay, God, this is not good. This is not.

Brandi Lewis (18:16)

Yeah.

That’s what you saw. Wow.

Shayla Webb (18:32)

good and like I’m miserable, they’re pumping me full of pain medicine. I said, Lord, I didn’t come in here and add it, but I’m in a leave. Like, what are we doing? Fentanyl, oxycodone? Yes. And I remember was me and my husband and cause like I had visitors all the time. I have a praying family. I visited all the time and at a certain point, which is me him, and I said, this is not good. This is not good.

Brandi Lewis (18:32)

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, keep the pain medicine coming. Gosh.

Shayla Webb (19:02)

and I went to sleep. I wake up and they’re like, we gotta go back. We have to go back into surgery. We have to fix this spinal fluid leak and we also need to finish severing this balance nerve. We’re getting ready to lift your brain a second time. And I’m like, God, you let me wake up with my faculties the first time. Am I gonna come back with these faculties? And so I go back and I could hear after the first surgery. After the second, I could not. ⁓

Brandi Lewis (19:20)

Yeah. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (19:30)

I have what’s called diplocusis and I still have it. ⁓ My right ear hears a different tone and a different key and there’s an echo. So there’s a little bit of a drag. And I wake up and I’m like, some parts of me feels great, other parts feel terrible. And so I’m sitting here and I’m like, God, what has happened to me? Like I’m swollen, all of this is gone. My hair grew back and that was one of my prayers. I God, just give me the hair back.

Brandi Lewis (19:40)

Hmm.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (19:58)

Just give it back. I worked hard, Lord. Give it back. Yes, and people are like, ooh, you great. No, you know, you can do the half shave. That’s it. That’s not me. I’m not that edgy.

Brandi Lewis (19:58)

Yeah. Right. Some normalcy. Yeah. Yeah.

I’m not

that great edgy.

Shayla Webb (20:13)

animal print but I’m not that edgy at all. And so literally I remember I was in that I was supposed to be there for four days I was there for almost two weeks and they’re trying to send me to rehab because for whatever reason I couldn’t walk and I said Marlon my husband said Marlon I said Marlon I gotta go like I’m a fall risk every time I want to go to the bathroom somebody got to come get me and do I said I can’t I can’t do I haven’t had fresh air in 12 days I’m like

Brandi Lewis (20:34)

Yeah.

Yep. I hear you.

Shayla Webb (20:42)

A slow decline into madness. And on our last day, we didn’t know it was gonna be the last day, on my last day there, they’re saying they’re gonna transport me to rehab. And I said, I’m not going to rehab. I’m going home today. And the nurse was like, you’re going home today. You haven’t walked. I said, let me tell you something. Go get PT. By the time you go get PT, I’m be ready to walk. And he was like, they already came yesterday. They’re not gonna come again today.

Brandi Lewis (20:44)

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (21:10)

I said, well, can I at least go get some fresh air? And he was like, well, let me get somebody to wheel you out to get some fresh air. He came back an hour later. He said, somebody’s going to come take you. I said, no, no, actually I can’t go outside. PT is coming. PT is coming. He was like, they’re not coming today. When I tell you that physical therapist walked in that room and she said, I’ll be back, but I’m see if you can walk today. And I said, okay, cause I’m going home. My husband went and got us some breakfast.

Brandi Lewis (21:28)

No way.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (21:37)

And I remember listening to, because music was hard at that point, because my ears were so sensitive. But I had my phone and I played How Great Thou Art. And I’m like, oh Lord my God. When I in awesome wonder consider all the works thy hands have made, you got the moody’s legs. And so the PT comes back in and she was like, okay, if you can walk.

Brandi Lewis (21:42)

Mm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (22:05)

Maybe you can go home today. said, I’m gonna walk and I’m gonna go home today. So she gets my little walker and I get out of the bed and my husband’s looking at me like, ⁓ my gosh. What is she finna do? And I’m like, how great that I’m just singing it to my, cause we’re walking. And so I’m walking, I’m walking and she said, okay, but you gotta give me the walker. I need you to be able to walk without this.

Brandi Lewis (22:08)

Yeah.

She ready. She’s determined.

how beautiful. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (22:32)

And I paused, I looked at my husband, he was like a rock, like he’s, my guy. I said, okay. I said, I’m gonna walk. I said, Lord, you got the moody’s legs. I can’t feel them. I don’t even know what a straight line looks like. Because mind you, we have two balance nerves for a reason. When you cut one, your body has to completely recalibrate. I said, don’t even know what straight looks like. But you’ve put in my spirit that I’m going home. So.

Brandi Lewis (22:36)

Yeah. Yeah.

Mm.

The balance is off.

Shayla Webb (23:01)

You want the Moody’s legs. Girl, I started walking. And then so she gives you my walker back and she in that hallway said, you can go home. I said, yes. And then she, then the nurse come back in. He said, it might be late tonight. We short on making rounds. I said, no, no, no, I’m getting my kids off the bus. They get off at four. I’ll be home by then.

Brandi Lewis (23:03)

Yeah.

No way.

Yup.

Shayla Webb (23:26)

a car at 230 friend I said yeah

Brandi Lewis (23:29)

No

way. And honestly, cause I know what you’re talking about being in a hospital and they take forever to discharge you. That’s a miracle because they take forever to discharge you. So for you to get out there around two, two 30, like that, that’s not normal at all. No, no. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (23:45)

between my profession of I’m going home and them

telling me I could go home was about two and a half hours.

Brandi Lewis (23:53)

No way. That is not normal. I was the same way in hospitals though. Like I hated, I was like, I want to go home today. Like, and my parents would be like, you, you know, they would be like, okay, we need to take your vitals. Whenever I wanted to go home, my blood pressure was up. Cause I was just ready. I was like, like you, I want fresh air. I want to be, I want some normalcy. I don’t want nurses waking me up every day. I want some normalcy.

Shayla Webb (23:55)

I’m not playing. I’m not, and I said, but, yes!

Mm-hmm.

Brandi Lewis (24:20)

So I mean, to get out of there at that time, that is not normal. No. Discharge takes forever.

Shayla Webb (24:21)

girl.

Mm-hmm. It wasn’t. I was shocked. I

was shocked. was, because I was supposed to go to rehab for at least two weeks. And I’m like, I can’t do this. Like this is, I’m, I don’t like it. I’m ready to go home. But again, like you said, you know, did that grow my faith? It did because I had already been leaning and depending and trusting, but I still had my own strength. But in the moment where you have no strength.

Brandi Lewis (24:33)

wow.

Mm.

Shayla Webb (24:54)

Like it is literally but for God. Your legs not gonna move. It shows you something. Like people, I love the analogy, but it’s a little worn. And we were like, faith is like sitting in a chair and you just know what’s gonna hold you. And I’m like, that’s, it’s, it’s, it’s fair. It’s a fair earthly representation of what we’re talking about. But I’ve seen chairs fall.

Brandi Lewis (24:57)

Hmm.

Yeah, it’s a level of faith. Yeah.

That’s true.

Shayla Webb (25:21)

seen a few

people, I’ve seen the legs bevel, I’ve seen it!

Brandi Lewis (25:24)

That’s true.

That’s true.

Shayla Webb (25:29)

One of my favorite shows is My 600-pound Life. I love that show. I can’t really understand why. I like to see hope. I like to see hope journeys. And I’ve seen the chair be like, try me. Test me and see if we’re both going to be standing at the end of this. And they couldn’t. They couldn’t sit. So really, if you think about it, I’ve never thought about this before now, but if you think about it, the chair will hold you up to a certain capacity.

Brandi Lewis (25:37)

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

Shayla Webb (25:57)

because you might not see it, but it’s written in there. We go up to 175 pounds. Anything over that is a risk, but that is not faith. Faith says as much as you can put on me, as much as a demand as you can put on me is so much of what you’re going to see me do in return. So it’s not going to tell me there’s a weight limit. It’s not going to tell me there’s a ⁓ medical issue limit. It’s not going to tell me there’s a financial limit. It says whatever you’ve got.

Brandi Lewis (25:57)

Hmm. Hmm.

It is.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (26:26)

I’ve given you a measure of faith. And the Bible says we’re supposed to go from faith to faith, which means we should be growing exponentially based off how we see God show up in faith level one. Well, that boosts us to faith level two. And so this has been one of the hardest. I mean, I’ll always be recovering because you only have, I only have unbalanced nerve. And so if the weather change or whatever, I feel it. But I’m like, man.

When I sit back and consider, I know somebody else who had this surgery, she’s still on a walker. She can’t walk on gravel. I’m like, Lord God. And she’s not a believer, which I believe plays a little bit of a part. A God reigns on the just as well as the unjust and causes the sun to rise on it. So it’s not about that, but it’s a, I told you that if you would do this,

Brandi Lewis (27:02)

wow.

Shayla Webb (27:20)

will proclaim your name. I was already bowed, because let me tell you, my life was, I was raggedy pre-Christ, okay? Shouldn’t be here, but I am. And so if I can give the world everything and expect it to give me everything and it gave me nothing, all the while I’m giving God nothing and he gave me everything at the cross, ⁓ for sure, now that I’m living for you, when you move on my behalf, matter of fact, before you move on my behalf, because I don’t want you to get the glory

Brandi Lewis (27:22)

Yeah. Amen.

Yeah.

All right.

Shayla Webb (27:49)

as residual praise, I want you to get the expectation glory and then the midst glory and then the conquering glory. Like I want you to have the whole spectrum of it. I don’t like to hear God did it testimonies. I mean, I do, but get me when he hasn’t done it. Yeah, get me when you need him to do it. Yes.

Brandi Lewis (27:53)

Yep. ⁓ Full day.

Yeah, yeah. You mean when you have the faith? Yeah, yeah. Praise

me in the beginning, the middle and the end of it all. Know that I’m working. See me working and then see it done. Wow, I’ve never heard it said like that, but it’s true. Yeah. No, it’s not. It’s not.

Shayla Webb (28:18)

Yes!

Cause at the end, that’s not faith. If you can see it, it’s no longer faith.

That’s why the Bible says in the end, when we see Christ, we won’t need faith and hope because he’s here. He is our hope. So by the time we get to the conclusion of the matter, I don’t need faith anymore. I needed faith to believe you were gonna see me through point A to point Y. Z is just a thank you. A through Y is that I’m gonna believe you no matter what it look. T look a little crazy.

Brandi Lewis (28:30)

Mmm. It’s there. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Shayla Webb (28:51)

But I’m gonna believe you through it, no matter what.

Brandi Lewis (28:52)

No matter what, it’s true. When he talked about also about just sharing God’s word and sharing what he’s done, he gave me a scripture through my health issues, Psalms 118-17, I will live and not die and proclaim the works of the Lord. And that became my scripture. And I was like, God, if you get me through this, I will proclaim your name forever.

Shayla Webb (29:06)

Mmm.

Brandi Lewis (29:15)

I will share and tell people what you have done for me. And that was my scripture. And that was the one thing I stood on. So that, like you said, was my faith. It was me saying, you’re getting me through this, but when you get me through this, know that I will proclaim your name for the rest of my life. And that’s what it sounds like yours has been also. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (29:33)

Absolutely.

Absolutely, I went through a season where I’m like, Lord, I mean, because even in the midst of that, okay, God, you done took me through this, then you asked me to leave practicing law and open this business. leave all of these things, all of these securities that I know. And it was one day, and I’ve always had the scripture in my heart of taking hold of that for which Christ took hold of us, right? So I’m like, Lord, I wanna live my life taking hold of that for which you literally went to the cross and took hold of me for.

Brandi Lewis (29:47)

Yes, yeah.

Hmm.

Shayla Webb (30:06)

But literally the Lord really sat me down and Matthew and Peter getting out of that boat. Because if you think about it, when they saw Jesus coming, thought he was a ghost. So Peter had to take Jesus’s word that they are not a ghost. It’s me. And Peter said, ⁓ well, that’s faith one. ⁓ okay. So if it’s you, bid me to come. And then Jesus says,

Brandi Lewis (30:25)

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (30:35)

Okay, come on. That’s faith. The promise was come, the faith was bid me to come. And then think about it. Peter has to get, it’s still wind and waves. No peace still has been had yet. So the boat is rocking and shaking. You just thought he was a ghost. He says, come, you have to get your body out of the boat, up on the side, into the water. That is, we think about the first step.

Brandi Lewis (30:39)

Yeah.

Mm.

Hmm.

to do it. Wow. Wow. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (31:05)

Getting out,

even asking me to come takes faith because I just had thought you was a ghost. Just thought you were a ghost. And so literally the Lord, said, God, it’s winds and waves everywhere. I’m scared. I’m out in this water. And there’s one day I was doing a different podcast and this hit me while I was talking at that podcast and I will never let it go.

Brandi Lewis (31:12)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (31:29)

Because we

always want to talk about the fact that Peter started to sink because he looked at the winds and the waves. And I’m like, you discount that boy journey because he had to get out of the boat with those windows. There was disciples still in the boat. They witnessed a faith journey. was something to get out. Matthew is telling Peter’s story. Because he. You see what I’m saying? Matthew was like, and I got out of the boat. He said Peter got out of the boat. So many people.

Brandi Lewis (31:38)

He did.

Oof.

Wow, he witnessed it. Yes. Yes.

Shayla Webb (31:58)

We’ll watch your faith journey, write about it, tell about it, but I’ve never experienced God that way. And so I’m like, Lord, I’m scared. I’m doing all this stuff. I got all this stuff wrapped up in this business where I don’t wanna bankrupt my family. Like, I just trusted you with a brain tumor. You asking me to do something. You asking me to give up my career, God. And literally.

Brandi Lewis (31:58)

Wow.

Yeah. Was that a lifelong

dream to be a lawyer?

Shayla Webb (32:22)

since I was four years old. I said, I’m gonna a lawyer and did it. Mind you, in this whole process of figuring out what was wrong with me, like it turned out to be a tumor, I found out I was dyslexic. And the lady who gave me the test was like, have you ever been on an IEP? And I’m like, no. She was like, you should have had accommodations your whole life. And I’m like, glad I went to law school, passed the bar on the first try. I said, you can’t tell me that God is good. He’s good. He’s good. And literally, literally it was a moment.

Brandi Lewis (32:23)

Yeah. Yeah.

No worry.

my god.

Yes, we did.

Shayla Webb (32:51)

where I was like, God, how far was Peter from Jesus when he began to sink? And God said, it doesn’t matter. Because the Bible says, and immediately, and immediately Jesus reached out, Peter said, help me. And immediately, which tells me, God, I’m out of the boat.

Brandi Lewis (33:06)

Yeah.

He reached out.

Shayla Webb (33:14)

So my faith to get out of the boat triggers you to do an immediate thing for me when you see me start to sink. And God said, I wasn’t disappointed in Peter. He got out the boat. He knows we are flesh and he knows we are frail. But the fact that this man got out the boat says, I’m going to meet him at the point of his need. I mean, it could have been once that and Peter, I would have messed up. He could have been right at Jesus feet.

Brandi Lewis (33:21)

Wow.

Yeah.

Yep.

Shayla Webb (33:44)

It didn’t matter. And that was what really triggered me to understand this journey of faith, is that we’re looking for perfection and God is like, just get out of the boat. Just get out.

Brandi Lewis (33:56)

⁓ That’s

so beautiful. mean, that’s, I think that’s going to be an eye opening moment for everybody. That’s just, my, wow. The way you said that is true. And like you said, even questioning God at all, how many steps did he take until he started to sink? It doesn’t matter. God said, I’m here. I’m right here. Immediately when you need me, I am here. Wow.

Shayla Webb (34:12)

It doesn’t matter.

Immediately he

reached out and pulled him up. And let us know it was, it was the doubt. Jesus is so good that he’ll tell you why you began to sink, but he only could tell you that because he pulled you up. If you would have drowned, there would have been no more conversation. No lesson learned from that. But you know what the lesson was to these other ones that didn’t get out that boat. If we get out, if we get out, no matter what it looks like, no matter what it

Brandi Lewis (34:22)

Gosh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (34:46)

Feels like no matter when our flesh takes over, immediately, the son of man who came and put on flesh for us, who the joy set before him was the cross, will immediately, and so in the moments where I’m not feeling good, I’m thinking about my career, my future, and all these things I wanna do, and I’m like, my gosh, my gosh, my gosh, my gosh, I literally will in faith get me, pick me up.

Brandi Lewis (34:52)

Mm.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

Shayla Webb (35:16)

Because people are watching me. Somebody is watching my story right now. Somebody is writing a story about my life right now. And what is it going to say? Because Matthew didn’t say, you know, none of us, we see that water. said, turning around Lord. No, no. Matthew saw something that day. They said, let me get my, let me record this in history.

Brandi Lewis (35:19)

for the end.

Mm-hmm.

Shayla Webb (35:43)

that when we trust God enough to one, believe he is who he says he is, because that’s what Peter did, two, when he beckons us, we come, from then on out, Jesus is responsible for the outcome. When I say, Lord, I trust you with my life, I surrender, I give you everything I have, I’m out of the boat, he said, okay, my name’s on you now. My name is on you, therefore I will make sure I will accomplish that which I came to do.

Brandi Lewis (35:48)

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (36:12)

in your life. And so that is the best place to be. It’s the scariest place.

Brandi Lewis (36:15)

Mm.

It’s scary and it’s hard, but it’s the best place. is. God knows us more than we know ourselves. He has so many dreams, goals. He has a future already written for us that we have no clue about. And like you said, if we would only get out the boat. Wow. Wow. And then you also mentioned the aroma room, ⁓ your new entrepreneur business. And you also talk about

Shayla Webb (36:21)

Mm-hmm.

Absolutely.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Brandi Lewis (36:47)

getting out the boat, like you said, and God’s sitting you down and telling you to finish your career, quit your career as a lawyer, and now make this pivot. It’s so funny. We have kind of similar stories because I’m in the same place where God’s like, pivot. He said, that’s the word he gave me, you’re pivoting. And it’s okay. He said, I got you. I’m right here with you. So we have similar stories in that way, but

Shayla Webb (37:11)

huh.

Brandi Lewis (37:17)

I really want to talk about that pivot of that you now having your own business and how did you get there and like, what are you doing now with it?

Shayla Webb (37:26)

Yeah, so I went to Miami in 2022 with some of my cousins and my aunt and we were at La Fountain Bleu and they had a beautiful steam room. It was so nice. come home telling my husband, like, we gotta find that here. It’s wonderful. And there was just nothing here. And it was kind like a little seed planet, but I went about my business and I remember out of nowhere just starting to talk about it. Starting to kind of workshop some names. And I’m like, what am I talking about?

Brandi Lewis (37:50)

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (37:55)

And so that was in October of 2022 that I went on that trip. It was in January of 2023 that I got my LLC with the name. It was in September of 2023 that I had my surgery. But all the while we’re drawing up plans and we’re writing these things down and the Lord has given me a vision for it. he is speaking so fast that I’m like, oh my gosh, like, you know,

where are we going with this? And it was so embedded in my heart to do it that there was absolutely nothing anyone could say that was gonna make me not do it. ⁓ And we had a few obstacles, but they weren’t obstacles. ⁓ Funding came through immediately. ⁓ of the few issues, funny, we were looking at a space that was right around the corner from our current location in Carmel City Center. So same development.

around the corner and I was a real estate development attorney when I was practicing at a firm. Yeah, so I a little bit of the landscape and we go, we’re looking and this is what some people will call like a white box. it has nothing, it’s nothing. There’s no H factors, nothing. And so, or like a shell. And so we’re like, this is great. This is a great location. This is wonderful. And the lady who was showing us the space said, well, there’s a spa.

Brandi Lewis (38:57)

Aw yeah!

That’s cool.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (39:22)

an existing spot, they’re supposed to be giving up their lease. Do you want to look at that? And I’m like, okay. So because I’m like, I want the brand new shiny here go my vision for it. So we go in and I won’t say the name of the spa, but we walk in and immediately I hear the Lord say I’m going to give you this and I’m like, I want that like I want this one over here. Like I wanted to build brand new. And so because this father was existing, I mean, it was dark.

Brandi Lewis (39:30)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (39:52)

It was like, it was odd in there. Come to find out they were doing witchcraft is what I learned. Cause a few people from that spa came in to ours and was like, man, it’s night and day in here. And I was like, yeah, like I didn’t really know what this was before. And they were like, yeah, we used to do, you know, the readings and da, da, da, da, da. I’m like, okay, you know, that’s odd. That’s crazy. And so even the aesthetic was dark. And so I’m like, okay, well, you said you’re going to give us this.

Brandi Lewis (39:57)

wow.

That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (40:21)

Well, they didn’t want to leave after we toward it. They didn’t want to leave anymore. And so we get the pricing for this other space that I initially wanted over $700,000. And I’m like, Lord, who’s got that? Like, where’s that coming from? I’m you own the counter on a thousand Hills, but we’re gonna need to make that into us currency. We don’t have it. And so I remember talking to my husband. was like, well, God said, and I’m telling all these people.

Brandi Lewis (40:34)

Woo!

Shayla Webb (40:51)

Like God said he gonna give us that place. He said he’s gonna give us that place. And so I talked to the lady who was showing us the property who works for the development and she was like, they not leaving. I was like, okay, well I’ll call back in a couple of days. She called me maybe two days later and was like, girl, they’re leaving, you can have this space. Cut the bill in half. So now it’s feasible to do. It was God, was literally, so all we had to do was a facelift. Now it was a major facelift. Okay, I’m talking, went from,

Brandi Lewis (41:11)

Wow.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (41:20)

70 years old to 22, like a major lift. And it was a lot of work. I did that. I built that space out while still working at the firm, while having my surgery, while recovering. I remember we had to go sign some documents. I’m still on a walker at that point. Yes, it all happened so fast. So we opened in May of 2024. I hadn’t even had my anniversary of the surgery yet.

Brandi Lewis (41:24)

Wow, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

No way! Wow.

Shayla Webb (41:50)

Like, yeah, so it’s September, October, November, December, January, March, April, May, eight, nine months later ish, we were open and it has been a journey. It’s been scary. It’s been bumpy. It’s been entrepreneurial. but I remember on the soft launch, we were the day before the builder said, I’ve never seen a blueprint come together.

Brandi Lewis (41:53)

Wow.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (42:21)

so much like the actual design of the space. And I’m like, well, that’s, this is what God said to build. And so on the way to the soft launch, God said, I called you Noah. I gave you a blueprint, a plan and a promise. You build it, I’ll send the rain. And on the days where I’m like, Lord is slow. What are we gonna do? Like, how are we gonna make these ends meet? Like, what is this? I’m like, but you made me a promise.

Brandi Lewis (42:24)

Mmm.

Mm-hmm.

year

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (42:50)

You bid me to come.

Brandi Lewis (42:51)

Yeah.

Yeah. Hello. I’m here.

Shayla Webb (42:55)

Come get me. Come

get me, I’m sinking.

And I read, you know the piece that comes, because it’s not Shayla said, you know, if you do da da, don’t count on me. Don’t, if you’re quoting me, you’re in trouble. But the fact that I can say to God, well, this is what you said. This is what you said. And he’s like, you know what? It is. And not only do you trust me enough to say it back to me, the faith is built into the statement of,

Brandi Lewis (43:08)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (43:29)

You believe I’m going to do it. So in the moments when your flesh tells you I’m not, be quiet. My spirit is speaking. And my spirit bears witness with the spirit of God that God is truthful. He’s real. He’s faithful. And so if I look at my flesh, I’m like, Lord, it ain’t been but two folks in here all week. What is it? And mind you, this bar is doing very well. We’re award winning. Like we are, we get people traveling in.

Brandi Lewis (43:38)

Mm.

Yeah.

Wow.

Shayla Webb (43:59)

But

you know, when’s it what? I mean, it looks different from the boat. It looks different from the, I went to the prosecutor’s office after my surgery because I knew I couldn’t go back to, I tried to go back to practicing law from a billable perspective. I was just like, I’m not her anymore. I can’t do it. ⁓ I couldn’t, I couldn’t give 80 hours a week to anything anymore. And so I went back, I went to the prosecutor’s office. I always wanted to be a prosecutor.

Brandi Lewis (44:04)

Yeah.

You weren’t feeling it.

Yeah. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (44:28)

My lifelong dream is to be a judge. Went to the prosecutor’s office, loved it. And I was gonna have a friend open the spot for me. And the Lord said, so you want the blessing of faith without the step. And I’m like, first of all, you don’t even gotta eat me up like that. Let’s just settle down. Let’s just bring this down a little bit. And he said, oh, so you want the blessing. And I remember I was at a prayer service one day.

Brandi Lewis (44:42)

Woo!

Who we talking to?

Shayla Webb (44:58)

And I said, okay, Lord, at this point, so she was gonna open it and she called me, she’s my best friend, she called me in tears. She was like, Shayla, God said don’t do it. He told me I can’t open it. And I’m like, ⁓ Yeah, I mean, she was in tears. She was trying to figure out how to tell me I can’t do it. And the Lord had kind of been prepping me before, but I was like, no, this is my class.

Brandi Lewis (45:09)

Wow. She’s like, it’s not for me.

Shayla Webb (45:25)

You know, it’s always your flesh when it’s not what you want to hear and this is a devilish No girl, that’s the Lord trying to tell you something and so at this point I’m like, okay God well we have to open and so I remember I was at a prayer service and I said Lord, what’s the benefits package? I worked for you and me and my husband have been trying to conceive for a while and I said Lord, what’s the benefits package? And he was like well for one your womb

Brandi Lewis (45:26)

Yeah. When is that? Yeah. When is that what you want?

you

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (45:53)

because it’s gonna be steeped in faith and sacrifice. And I’m like, okay, so you know I went into a full worship. I mean, cover me up, I’m on the ground, I’m unwell. Just leave without me. But it was opening the spot, I’m working for the prosecutor’s office, I love it, I have to quit now. They call me back and they’re like, Shayla, we need you to come back. Will you at least do part time? You can work from the spot. Like they made it a-

Brandi Lewis (46:04)

you

Shayla Webb (46:23)

cushy deal for me, because I was a really good prosecutor, loved a good jury trial, couldn’t tell me I wasn’t on TV. And I’m talking about…

Brandi Lewis (46:24)

⁓ yeah. Yeah.

Be

like, I’m made for this. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (46:33)

I really was, like I finally

felt like all of my skill sets had come together under one profession, advocacy. I love a good jury trial. Let me make a point. I mean, getting to the heart of the matter is what a prosecutor is gonna do, a good one. And that was what I was doing. And so I literally remember taking the part-time job and I’m working, I’m working, I’m working. And I said, God, I don’t have the grace for this right now.

Brandi Lewis (46:39)

you

Yep.

Shayla Webb (47:02)

I’m overwhelmed. So I got promoted to major felony, but I was a major felony, ⁓ major felony domestic violence prosecutor. And I’m like, okay, I’m reading all these cases all day. Then when I’m not doing that, I’m serving clients and clients want to tell you their life story. And I’m like, it’s heavy on top of heavy on top of heavy. Like, you know, I need a break. And so I called the chief of staff and I said,

Brandi Lewis (47:18)

Yeah, you’re therapist. Yeah.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (47:26)

I was like, don’t think I’m gonna able to do this anymore. And she was like, well, why? I was like, I don’t know if you’re a woman of faith, but I don’t have the grace for this in this season. And she was like, ⁓ well, is it this? it this? Is it this? Let me call you back. And the lawyer said, did you go back? Cause you think I won’t pay you here? And I’m like, okay, well, you know what? When you say it that way, when you, okay.

Brandi Lewis (47:33)

Yeah.

Mmm.

You’re like, can’t

answer that.

Shayla Webb (47:52)

said, possibly. And so I call her back. said, you know, the Lord challenged me. I said, this is a faith issue. I came back because of a faith issue. And I say, I’m about to say the spot’s doing well, but the thing I misinterpreted was, okay, Lord, so you’re going to start paying me here. You’re going to pay me at the spot then. No, no. And he never even said, he didn’t say I couldn’t go back to practicing. He didn’t, he didn’t say that I took a boot.

Brandi Lewis (47:52)

Wow.

What?

Wow.

Shayla Webb (48:22)

and was like, ⁓ so here’s what I’m gonna claim out of that word is you’re gonna pay me. I’m gonna do that. That’s not what he said. It was literally, do you trust me? You’re trying to make an end meet that I’m already meeting. What are you doing? You’re burning yourself out for what? Because you don’t trust me. You don’t trust me. So what I need you to do is give up that thing that made you feel better. Give that up. Lean in here and trust me.

Brandi Lewis (48:31)

Mm.

Yeah.

Mm. Yeah.

Shayla Webb (48:51)

And it was hard. It was hard. But

you know what I said? God, you did not get me up off of an operating table twice to play in my face. And everywhere I’ve gone, even here, when I talk about the spa, I’m telling you it’s of God’s goodness. I’m telling you it’s His mercy. I’m telling you, He said to do it. He’s God. It’s literally why He did not destroy, part of why He did not destroy the children of Israel in the wilderness.

Brandi Lewis (48:58)

Yeah.

and

Shayla Webb (49:19)

let my people go and you just gonna eat them up in the wilderness. No. You can’t make the show before Pharaoh and then come and be like, ⁓ I’ve had enough. And the thing is, it was Moses’s intercession. He said, but God, gonna, they, Israel’s enemies gonna think that you couldn’t get them out, that you couldn’t make a way, that you couldn’t do this and you couldn’t do that. And I’m like, God, it’s the same thing. The people that said I was a fool.

Brandi Lewis (49:22)

Yeah. Yeah.

Hmm.

Shayla Webb (49:49)

for leaving a big six-feet your job to come open this place up are gonna say, well, see, God’s into her to do that. This wasn’t the right economic climate. This wasn’t this to say, your name and your reputation. See, Moses appealed to God’s reputation. said, your name and your reputation are on this spot because I’ve never taken the glory. Therefore, you are the one that people are gonna say did it or didn’t do it. I’m gonna need you to go ahead and do it. And he does. God, and people are like, you’re challenging God.

Brandi Lewis (50:12)

Yeah.

Yeah, he does. He

does.

Shayla Webb (50:19)

Yeah, I’m challenging someone who can’t fail. So it’s not even a challenge to him. He’s like, you trust me that much. Come before the throne with boldness to obtain mercy and help. The throne of grace, Lord, I mean, to me, this was like so off topic, but to me, grace is an exchange of capacity. God, I’m coming to the throne of grace to exchange capacity with you, because I’m feeling a little weak, feeling a little scared.

Brandi Lewis (50:25)

Yeah.

Wow.

Shayla Webb (50:46)

I’m feeling a little

Brandi Lewis (50:46)

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (50:47)

unstable, but I know that you are the same yesterday, today, and forevermore, that your strength is made perfect in my weakness, that you cannot fail and you cannot lie. So I’m going to exchange my capacity for yours, and I’m going to come boldly and ask you to help me and not help pay these bills. Yes, do that too, but help me to stand in the midst of a faith crisis. Help me to stand. And he does just that.

Brandi Lewis (50:56)

Yeah.

Hmm.

Shayla Webb (51:14)

But we don’t utilize his word enough. We probably don’t know it enough. We don’t utilize it enough to say, God, this is what you said. This is what you said. And he’s like, you’re right. I did say that. Watch me do it.

Brandi Lewis (51:28)

The way that you speak of the word is just so, it makes it so much easier to understand. I must say, like, even you just saying, like, exchanging the grace for the boldness, like, okay, God, I’ma take from you. Now I’m standing boldly in front of you, cause I need you. But it also circles back to what we were talking about, the statement you said, life is hard, but it’s better and it’s not as hard with God. It’s not hard with God.

Because if you stand, like you said, if we use the word the way that it’s intended, we know God’s there. We know the battle is always already won. The victory is there. But if we’ve already used what God’s told us, if we’ve stood boldly in front of Him and said, I know you’re going to do this, not you may, you may not, I know you’re going to do this. God, I’m laying it at your feet. This is what I have right now.

Shayla Webb (51:56)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Brandi Lewis (52:26)

I’m going through this and this and this. I’m coming to you boldly. I need you. Like that, the way that you just explain it, you make it so much easier to understand. And I really hope people take a lot from that because even people that don’t believe in God or that aren’t spiritual, there’s just so much faith in that. And that led me back to another point that me and you were talking, or you talked about faith and the way you described that was just amazing.

Shayla Webb (52:31)

Mm-hmm.

Brandi Lewis (52:55)

Also, I read a statistic one time where it said so many people, when they start dealing with health issues, how that faith increase, how they become believers, how they begin to really know and understand God because of their health. And that, I think that’s so beautiful. I think because a lot of times when your health is shaken, everything’s off and all you have is faith. That’s all you have to surrender to.

Shayla Webb (53:19)

yeah.

Brandi Lewis (53:25)

And it really, happens a lot. I’ve written a lot for different columns and done a lot of speaking events just to help people. And I always, like you said, I always proclaim God’s word, but you know, working with different pharmaceutical companies, they’re like, well, we’ve got to tone it back. So they’re like, instead of using the word faith, let’s use hope. And I’m like, that’s fine if that’s what you want to use, but hope. And so a lot of the times I talk about the hope.

Shayla Webb (53:40)

Mm-hmm.

Brandi Lewis (53:52)

And that’s one thing people really want to know health-wise is how do I have that hope? How do I keep that when the days are hard, like you said, the hospital days where they’re so in your back and you have no pain medicine, you’re not put to sleep for any of that. How do you keep the hope? And we’ve all been through something in our life where that hope and that faith has been shaken. Uh-oh, we’ve always been.

Shayla Webb (53:58)

Yeah.

Mm-mm.

I’m gonna head bump that out. Okay.

Brandi Lewis (54:18)

all

been through somewhere in our life where that hope or that faith has been shaken. And so my question to you is, how do you keep that hope? How do you keep it for somebody that’s listening to this that is like, am in the worst place I’ve ever been in. Health, not health, just life in general. How do I keep that hope?

Shayla Webb (54:37)

Yeah.

I love that question and I’ll say my answer is specifically gonna be to the believer because without Christ there is no hope. You can live the best life ever but apart from Christ you are actually hopeless, right? And so, but to the believer and to the hopeful believer, right? It’s just believe the gospel. ⁓ I’ll say it this way. We read in scripture.

Brandi Lewis (54:45)

Yeah.

Yeah, it’s true.

and

Shayla Webb (55:07)

that know Jesus says my yoke is easy and my burden is light and we’re like Lord your yoke is easy and your burden is light but the thing that we forget is that if I don’t give him my yoke and my burden literally let’s say you’re you’re you’re in the garage you have groceries and you have a million bags just because I’m not making two trips let’s be honest I’m gonna figure out what it means

Brandi Lewis (55:11)

Hmm.

Yeah, exactly.

Shayla Webb (55:37)

Finger, starculation ate off. Get one trip, do hear me? And I’m like, okay, okay. So this is my yolk and this is my burden. And then somebody, my kid, one of my kids come in the garage and they’re like, ⁓ I’ll take the bread.

Brandi Lewis (55:40)

Exactly. Stay true.

Shayla Webb (55:54)

What do you mean you’ll take the bread? I’m almost to have to have two arms amputated because I can’t, because I can’t feel them because I got bags up to here and you’re going to come take that bread. That’s what we do with God. We say, Lord, your yolk is easy and your burden is light. Take the bread. No, take everything I have. Take it all because if I

Brandi Lewis (55:59)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mmm.

Mmm.

all of it.

Shayla Webb (56:23)

take on his yoke and his burden, it’s easy and light, but I’m already overloaded and weighed down by stuff. It’s not easy. And it’s not light. It’s gotten heavier. And now I’m like, Lord, now I’m legalistic. Lord, man, I know I got to pray twice a day and I got to do this and I got to do that. No hope says that I can give you everything. And not only will you not be overwhelmed, you’ll say thank you, daughter.

Brandi Lewis (56:30)

Mmm.

Yeah.

Shayla Webb (56:51)

Thank you for trusting me to be a good, good father that will carry everything that you’re willing to put into my hands. Hope says, not only will he not drop it, but he won’t drop me. And so to anybody who is going through sickness or anything in life that’s hard and that is causing them turmoil, hope is knowing that there is a God.

who not only sees you and who not only cares, but can manage it. The thing that we, when we talk about crystals and all this different stuff, you’re still managing it. People talk about entrepreneurship is freedom. No, no, no, I’m still managing, okay? And I work for me. I’ll be like, ooh girl, you’re in a pimp, you’re getting on my nerves. Like, still managing it. When we literally hope,

Brandi Lewis (57:36)

Yep. Yep. Yep.

Shayla Webb (57:48)

in the Lord. When our hope is in Him, our circumstances don’t matter anymore because we get to say, though you slay me, yet will I trust you. That’s statement of hope. Job is going through it. I don’t know anybody who’s separate like Job until the cross. He went through it. mean, yes, the disciples, some of them were killed in horrific ways.

Brandi Lewis (58:01)

Hmm.

Shayla Webb (58:16)

But if you think about Job’s life, Job is just going about his business and Satan says, I wouldn’t try him, but you got the hedge around him. God is like, okay, I’ll remove it, but you can’t touch his life, which is also hope because God is in control, right? He’s sovereign. And so hope says, man, I’m afflicted. My body hurts. I’m tired. I’m overwhelmed. Bills are due. I’m doing everything that I possibly can.

Hope says what the three Hebrew boys said, he can, but even if he doesn’t, he’s yet able. And so I would say understand that he could heal you. I heard a preacher say that healing on this side of glory is an inheritance. He gave you a piece of your inheritance early. So we’re not guaranteed healing, but you serve a God who sits in the sickness with you, who takes on

Brandi Lewis (58:54)

Yeah.

Mm.

Mmm.

Shayla Webb (59:14)

the weight and the burden of affliction for you. And so if you hope in the fact that he will never fail and come what may, coming to get us. He is coming to get us. He only went to prepare a place. He told us to treat this place as if we’re foreigners. So if we remember not to get too comfortable and to remember that this is corruptible until we put on incorruptible, our flesh is going to give us a problem. If we just remember that hope springs forth.

Brandi Lewis (59:43)

true.

Shayla Webb (59:44)

Because this is not forever. How we live today determines forever. But we have hope that he’s coming back for us.

Brandi Lewis (59:49)

Yeah.

Yeah. I love that. Yeah. This is a temporary place. Not something that we always talk about, but I feel like in the days now of just the way the world is, is something that needs to be talked about or just something we need to be reminded of is this is not forever. I love that. This is just such a good episode. You’ve got a lot of gems in there and I really love it.

Shayla Webb (1:00:10)

Thank you!

Brandi Lewis (1:00:17)

I think it is going to touch a lot of people because we’re all going through something in our life. Like we always will. We will have something that we’re going through. And like you said, you know, maybe it’s finances or it’s the overwhelm of starting a family or having a family or a relationship problem. It, we are all going through something. And even with people that are non-believers that like are using crystals, we’re all searching for some type.

Shayla Webb (1:00:23)

Yeah.

Brandi Lewis (1:00:48)

of faith, hope, something to keep us grounded, to keep us seeing a higher power, something that’s out there. And for me, it’s God, because I’ve seen the work in my life. And your story, I feel like it’s just so beautiful in the way God has worked within your life. Health-wise, even when you were a child saying you’re going to be a lawyer to where you are now as an entrepreneur, He has moved in every area. And your story honestly shows that.

Shayla Webb (1:00:52)

Mm-hmm.

Brandi Lewis (1:01:16)

And your story probably is much longer than what we were able to put in this hour long podcast. Cause I understand there have probably been so many other areas where God has moved within your life. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I think a great way to end this episode is really just to give somebody, you’re just such a good speaker. So I really want to open the floor to you of really just leaving this episode of, of giving somebody just some words of encouragement.

Shayla Webb (1:01:26)

yeah.

Absolutely.

Yeah

Brandi Lewis (1:01:46)

to keep moving forward in life. From your story, it’s just so many people can take that story and say, if God did it for her, if God did it for Shayla, they can do it for me. And so really wanna open the floor and let you just kind of end it the way you wanna end it, just some type of hope for people to keep moving forward. What would you say?

Shayla Webb (1:01:58)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I’m gonna end it if you don’t mind by giving the gospel because I can’t guarantee he’s gonna heal you like he healed me, but I can’t guarantee that he went through the cross for you, right? And so really when we say the gospel, what we mean, and it’s so simple, it’s so simple is that man send, right? We were eternally separated from God, but in his goodness, he sent his son, Jesus Christ, who lived

Brandi Lewis (1:02:12)

Let’s do it.

Mm-hmm.

Shayla Webb (1:02:36)

an entirely perfect life fulfilled the law, which we were never going to be able to fulfill. He fulfilled the law. He walked blameless. But because of his great love for us, he died while we were yet sinners. He took on the cross to die on a tree was a cursed death for us. He became a curse. It’s called propitiation. He took our place. He took the wrath of God upon himself.

that we would be able to be in right relationship with God. And it’s as simple as saying it was paid in full. If you went to the grocery store, and the Lord gave me this analogy one day and I will always use it. If you went to the grocery store and you walk out and that little alarm thing starts blaring, but you’ve paid for everything, why would you run? You would go back in and say, I got my receipt.

and every item on my receipt is accounted for in this cart. It’s paid in full. And that is what Jesus did. He said every sin, past, present, and future was accounted for on the cross. And so when you fall short, and when the enemy accuses you, because he’s going to, Revelation 12, 10 tells us that. When he accuses you, you get to say, yes, I need to repent. And yes, I gotta turn away from sin.

but it is paid in full. The gospel is that Jesus took our place. And if we will put our faith in him, the Bible says it is by grace through faith, not by works, so that none of us can brag and boast that we’ve done it and now we’re getting into heaven. There’s nothing you can do to be good enough or bad enough. It is all because of what Christ did. And so I would say if you want hope, I can’t guarantee you an outcome.

I wouldn’t try because I’m not going to play with God. But what I can guarantee is that if you put your faith in Him and in Him alone, right? It’s not Jesus plus, it is Jesus only. Then you will be saved. Put your faith, put your hope, put your trust in Him and He will come through because He’s a good Father. But one thing you will know for certain is that your name will be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

Brandi Lewis (1:04:32)

you

Shayla Webb (1:04:58)

And there was nothing greater to hope for than eternity with our Heavenly Father.

Brandi Lewis (1:05:04)

Thank you so much, Shayla. That is an amazing way to end this. I love this episode. I say that all the time, but this is just a really good one that I think just through your story, you’re able to preach the gospel and just how God has moved and bring other believers, other people to Christ and to become believers one day. So thank you so much again for doing this for me.

Shayla Webb (1:05:06)

Thank you!

Absolutely. Thank you for having me. Your story is amazing and you’re such an encouragement and I’m so glad to be engaged and acquainted with you. And I know this is not the last time we will speak.

Brandi Lewis (1:05:39)

No, we will definitely after like stay connected. think we’re a lot alike in a lot of areas. Um, so I would love to do that. We’ll have to keep in touch for sure.

Shayla Webb (1:05:40)

Yeah

yeah.